Re: Fw: [fairchildclub] N81271 Heater

Jamie S. Treat · Post by **Jamie S. Treat** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:59 pm

'Len,

Don't bother with the factory setup. I live in Colorado and I removed mine,
why have the weight flying around when it is 100% useless.

Now if you can capture the heat from the cylinders on the left side with a
collector, that would work great.

Jamie S. Treat A&P/IA
Aircraft Restoration & Repair
24201 David C. Johnson Loop
Kelly Airpark
Elbert, CO 80106
HM/Shop 303-648-0130

----- Original Message -----
From: "lenwmiller"
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Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 8:55 AM
Subject: [fairchildclub] N81271 Heater

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> Another thing I forgot to mention on our postings yesterday is that
> regarding the heater installation, the aircraft has a Ranger
> installed. Really need to figure out what kind of heat exchanger
> might be used.
> Thanks!!
> Len Miller - Jet West, Reno, Nv.
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Tom Downey · Post by **Tom Downey** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 9:09 pm

'--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie S. Treat"
wrote:

> Len,
>
> Don't bother with the factory setup. I live in Colorado and I

removed mine,

> why have the weight flying around when it is 100% useless.
>
> Now if you can capture the heat from the cylinders on the left

side with a

> collector, that would work great.
>
> Jamie S. Treat A&P/IA
> Aircraft Restoration & Repair
> 24201 David C. Johnson Loop
> Kelly Airpark
> Elbert, CO 80106
> HM/Shop 303-648-0130

My Old Nordlund and a Vega I looked into once upon a time, had a
Remote Heater core from a 37 Chevy that was plumbed to the hot oil
return.

Worked great'

ranger440c5 · Post by **ranger440c5** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 8:55 am

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> My Old Nordlund and a Vega I looked into once upon a time, had a
> Remote Heater core from a 37 Chevy that was plumbed to the hot oil
> return.
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> Worked great

What's a Nordlund? On a setup as this, how would temp be best
controlled..... valve on feeder line to core as a typical tractor cab
heater? This is a sure fire heat system..it WILL work.
Another thought is to pull heat from the oil cooler outlet duct, on
a Ranger setup I don't know if air would rather spill out outlet than
go in a heater inlet. Remember the air going in is expanded a great
deal as it extracts heat from the oil and there should be a positive
pressure at the outlet but is it enough to override positive pressure
in cabin? A mixer of sorts could be developed to restrict outlet to
force the air in the heater duct. This would require judicious
monitoring of oil temp. Thought about an arrangement as this on
another project but don't have the ambition to employ it. Benefits
would be...light wt, no stagnant oil, no additional leak points, no
CO threats. The cons...will it work, effectiveness? Thoughts?'

Tom Downey · Post by **Tom Downey** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 9:33 am

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> What's a Nordlund?

Nordlund Norsman, Canadian Bush plane, a lot like a beaver on
steroids.

On a setup as this, how would temp be best

> controlled..... valve on feeder line to core as a typical tractor

cab heater? This is a sure fire heat system..it WILL work.

Yep, but it will work a lot better on a hot day than it does on a
cold one.

The cons...will it work, effectiveness? Thoughts?

What do we do to oil coolers on a very cold day? Cover them up?'

David Stroud · Post by **David Stroud** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 9:50 am

'Not to be picky, but it actually is a Noorduyn Norseman. Like a Beaver on
Steroids for sure. A buddy of mine and a group of friends restored one years
ago and it became a movie star last year.

http://www.noorduynnorseman.com/

David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
F-24 C-FDAE in restoration

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Downey"
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [fairchildclub] N81271 Heater

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> > What's a Nordlund?
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> Nordlund Norsman, Canadian Bush plane, a lot like a beaver on
> steroids.
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> On a setup as this, how would temp be best
> > controlled..... valve on feeder line to core as a typical tractor
> cab heater? This is a sure fire heat system..it WILL work.
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> Yep, but it will work a lot better on a hot day than it does on a
> cold one.

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Bob Webster · Post by **Bob Webster** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 3:33 pm

'One more heat thought. A friend of mine has a Swift that he installed an
electric heater (12 Volt I assume) and just has a toggle on the panel for
operation. I haven't been under the panel to see the installation but it
doesn't show at all from just looking in. He is an A&P/IA and all that
stuff from back in the 40s, and a stickler for saftey, so I don't think
there is a problem on that end. As a guess, I would think that an F-24
would want the alternator conversion for the additional load, but I don't
know.

I am not going to be in that area for a couple of months (after S 'N' F) so
if anybody is interested I can dig out more details at that time.

Bob Webster'

danMichael · Post by **danMichael** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 3:45 pm

'On Saturday, March 12, 2005, at 09:51 AM, David Stroud wrote:

> Not to be picky, but it actually is a Noorduyn Norseman. Like a Beaver
> on Steroids for sure.

Since the use of steroids has been deprecated, why dont we just call it
a tube and fabric Otter?

:Dan
:NC81323'

danMichael · Post by **danMichael** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 3:57 pm

'On Saturday, March 12, 2005, at 03:32 PM, Bob Webster wrote:

> One more heat thought. A friend of mine has a Swift that he installed
> an
> electric heater (12 Volt I assume) and just has a toggle on the panel
> for
> operation.

I think hotter air temperature for the cabin heat is only part of the
problem:

-- The volume of air through the single small heater outlet is limited;

-- I dont know about your aircraft, but in mine what heat is available
cant match the heat loss. I think you would have to get very good
sealing at the doors, windows, vents, wing roots, etc., and insulate
the cabin for the cabin heat to really be effective.

:Dan Michael
:NC81323'

Bob Webster · Post by **Bob Webster** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 4:03 pm

'Yeah, but when it is blowing on your feet it sure feels good.

Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "danMichael"
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [fairchildclub] N81271 Heater

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> On Saturday, March 12, 2005, at 03:32 PM, Bob Webster wrote:
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> > One more heat thought. A friend of mine has a Swift that he installed
> > an
> > electric heater (12 Volt I assume) and just has a toggle on the panel
> > for
> > operation.
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> I think hotter air temperature for the cabin heat is only part of the
> problem:
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> -- The volume of air through the single small heater outlet is limited;
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> -- I dont know about your aircraft, but in mine what heat is available
> cant match the heat loss. I think you would have to get very good
> sealing at the doors, windows, vents, wing roots, etc., and insulate
> the cabin for the cabin heat to really be effective.
>
> :Dan Michael
> :NC81323
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ranger440c5 · Post by **ranger440c5** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 6:32 pm

'But aren't otters furry, four -legged critters?

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, danMichael wrote:
> On Saturday, March 12, 2005, at 09:51 AM, David Stroud wrote:
>
> > Not to be picky, but it actually is a Noorduyn Norseman. Like a
Beaver
> > on Steroids for sure.
>
> Since the use of steroids has been deprecated, why dont we just
call it
> a tube and fabric Otter?
>
> :Dan
> :NC81323

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